Nutrients per lb is $0.16. 
You’re all over the place with you argument, I don’t think you really have a full grasp of what you are talking about.
A good example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action.
Good luck with your closet grow.
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So ya like I said, 1 outdoor straight to boof carts crop a yr and can’t address fact you’re stealing ground and rain water and not counting it is all you got. We’re totally on the same page, but I’m not the one in a closet about what I’m actually using to grow my friend. When your done pillaging the land maybe your come out your closet and admit your sins and actually address facts. Have fun this winter 
If OP had anything to do with smart pots he wouldn’t have been growing hydro in the first place. He’s not converting, he’s looking for people to write up a why smart pots best hydro flyer to handout at his next event, and spreading misinformation all along the way. I loathe people like this. Then he says ‘seems like living soil is the way to go, if you aren’t doing hydro.’ which completely contradicts his original misinformation. lol. From there it’s just smart pot sales pitches proving he’s got nothing to share only sell.
2 week stall @Farmer_Dan was taking about typical with soil and is just more proof hydro is the future. You cant go a weekend stalled in hydro. But farmers don’t grow education 
what ya gonna do.
Organic nutrients have no place in a hydro system because microbes drown. There is no rhizosphere for them to cling and work, and more importantly all microbes do is break down organic nutrients to the same form synthetic nutrients are already in. Calcium is calcium, nitrogen is nitrogen organic just means raw form, same goes in same is produced with synthetic and organic. Organic does not produce more nutrient rich produce this is scientifically proven. So it makes little sense to try to get raw through a mister, which literally doesn’t fit.
So you Aeroponics? That’s cool cus that’s how I started, then went to soil, then DWC, coco, NFT, and a few other homemade ways. My best setup combines Aero inside NFT. It’s really the only way to go large scale 
grown aero. Temps force some concessions to make Aero less fragile, but I find its an improvement over typical aero where root masses can get too Pom Pom like and unable to be fully wetted. As for those misters everyone playing with aero users I tossed them and went much sloppier, no clogging that way, plus your need the added water in 100F greenhouse.
Is your aero grow susceptible to a power outage? If so I might have a cool thick for ya as I solved that often mentioned fear.
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@kgkind I have grown in aero, many types of hydro, coco, soil, you name it. There are plusses and minuses to all of the above. I also learned under Harley Smith, who knows more about hydro than you, or me. If you think living soil growing is a sales pitch for Smart Pots, let’s think about it… You buy 1 tray liner and you’re not buying another Smart Pot for 5+ years. Is that maximizing our profits? If we were just trying to make sales, we would be pushing for indoor hydro growers to turn and burn their bags after one run.
Since you are the Hydro God, shouldn’t you be chiming in on a “hydro” thread? I guess one good aspect to hydro is it fully automates your watering, which gives ample time to troll online. I bet @kgkind is the kind of person who would die if they don’t always have the last word. Just because @kgkind says soil sucks, doesn’t mean the world is going to change.
For the record, I’m totally on board with hydro, if that’s what you want to do. I love hydro. But to troll on about how hydro is the only way to grow just makes you look like a snob.
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I run a trane chiller, so I have eliminated climate issues.
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I run a trane chiller and a whole building ups and generators
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Trane chiller? I just started running a res chiller this summer, but I’m a spin off of aero in the bone dry desert heat so fact I go without all but 4 months a yr pretty good imo. Price ya pay for superior (free) lighting.
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I will be very interested to see your journey, please do share your experiences.
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Updated version (more learnings):
Have fun…
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New expanded version (more learnings):
Enjoy…
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Note that the We Serve the Soil doc now has evolved with new learnings to version 4.9, and is available at:
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There’s so much involved in the equation for each type of cultivation method when talking about profitability, yield, taste, brand affinity, etc. Just as an example, yes hydroponics may grow faster than a soil grow, but if you have a separate veg room then you’re already starting your second crop so that difference becomes moot.
To say living soil is the future, then, ultimately becomes a matter of opinion than fact - and there’s nothing wrong with that. The connotation of “the future” is also an interesting point to bring up. Is it the future of marketable cannabis brands? Or are we talking future as in underground mega-producing facilities feeding the overworld which has run out of space?
A lot of people absolutely swear by the taste of organics. Who is to say, really, which tastes objectively better? If you ask 100 people what tastes better, organic and soil-grown brands seem to have cornered the taste market for now, but who can say what will happen in a few years?
It’s definitely true that soil growing is linked to an increase in use of resources, especially when considering growing organically. As far as nutrient content in harvests, it’s… convoluted. There’s several studies that point to the fact organics produces better quality, and there’s several that say it’s not really substantial one way or the other.
Fore a more direct answer to the question:
For every grower I work with… it’s about what they believe in and how they view their plants. One thing is for sure, I don’t see many of them making any sort of significant (read:costly) changes to SOPs and setup after they’re already dialed into something. Personally, I have not met someone who made this switch at a commercial level.
As for my retail customers, many of them find that growing organically in living soil gives them similar bud with less upkeep and a more “connected” experience (obviously subjective there). They almost always have a thicker medium, too, and those users are the ones who notice bigger differences in water retention from addition of what I’m selling (one guy watered only 3 times in 2 months).
For me, I think no-till will become more relevant as time goes by. Even with the high possibility of decreased yield (but significantly similar potency), Claire LaCanne and Jon Lundgren studied farms and discovered the profitability of no-till was connected more closely with soil organic matter than yields. I did meet one person who switched to this process in Oregon, and he is growing top shelf bud, so take that for what you will.
Cannabis farmers need not be combative or feel superior in terms of process, as in the end finding a profitable formula connected with your personal identity and communicating that with your market is all that really matters. 
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