It costs me $500/mo to bank with a local CU.
The reason, as I understand, is federal law prevents banks from investing with cannabis money. They can hold balances in cash, and process transactions, but cannot make money off of our money. They also have to do regular reporting of every single transaction. This is all estimated to be about $500/mo in costs, currently.
It shouldn’t cost you $500/month to use the credit union. Granted that you should expect a charge for taking in cash deposits merely due to handling cost like any other retailer that uses a bank for cash handling/armored car pick up.
The current bottom line from FinCEN is
The SAR reporting expectations outlined in the February 14, 2014 guidance, FIN-2014-G001 remains in place. FinCEN will continue to work closely with law enforcement and the financial sector to combat illicit finance, and we will notify the financial sector of any changes to FinCEN’s SAR reporting expectation
The core set of FinCEN guidance for financial institutions can be found here.
The critical guidelines we watch were initially issued as https://www.fincen.gov/resources/statutes-regulations/guidance in February 2014
Some of the background guidance goes back > 20 years to FATF-VII Report on Money Laundering Typologies and FINANCIAL ACTION TASK FORCE ON MONEY LAUNDERING FATF
FinCEN Marijuana Banking Update - January 2018
An excellent article from the law firm Dorsey & Whitney on FinCEN and Cannabis is here.
The information above is widely available and if your current attorney/accountant team hasn’t given you that much, maybe they need to be replaced. We can’t really get into more specific detail than that in a public forum, though we certainly do provide additional assistance, strategy and implementation for our clients.
I’ve heard talk of other banks becoming more friendly, in Oregon, specifically. As of now, I know of one, and they charge $500/mo flat fee. We have 1 wire deposit per year and normal business expenses. It’s not exactly a competitive market as far as I am aware…
You sound like you know of more obliging banks with better rates, or are you just generalizing that it should not be that expensive? If the latter is the case, I would have to agree.
If I may respond to you question, no, I am NOT aware of specific banks in your area and their rates, given the size of the US that would be near impossible. At the same time, I am NOT making a generic guess. What is did is very specific. We are a CPA firm, and while we can wrap it in 20+ different ways the only thing we have to sell is information, knowledge and experience. If you noticed, I was very direct in saying that the policy that your local credit union was explaining to you is BS, they made it up to justify what they want to charge. What I gave you is links to all of the information that quickly came to mind that would help you understand what the current status of the rules are.
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I thought I would share a post that came out this morning on CannaLawBlog written by Hillary Bricken would is certainly a competent, you self-aggrandizing attorney with Harris Bricken which is one of the few law firms serving the cannabis industry that we generally trust. The article is entitled Marijuana Banking Fraud: What You Need to Know.
Our point is that her article essentially mirrors EVERY SINGLE POINT THAT WE HAD TRIED TO MAKE IN OUR RESPONSE TO YOU. So now you have to competent sources highlighting the same points… I thinks that should tell us something. There is NO MAGIC in banking a cannabis industry business. Its all about knowing the rules and doing the work, ONE BUSINESS AT A TIME.
Do you mean Hillary Bricken?
We have worked with her in the past when she was at the Seattle law firm. Highly recommend her services and happy to see she started her own firm.
Yep that would be Hillary Bricken…now imagine her with another 25 year of experience and that would be we we are
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