Lets get something straight

I have been fuming for days now. There seems to be a person here who wants to discredit me, my reputation, and my product. This person will remain nameless. Unless of course they want to come out and call me out here. I am are going to cover what a HEIRLOOM SEED IS. This is a good explenation. from there im going to once again give my story and how I came to be.

In antique stores, we’re drawn to old maple rockers, ornately carved oak mantelpieces or delicately hand-painted china not just because of their form or materials but for the sense of history that clings to them and the way they warm the imagination. They make us wonder about the hands that have held them and the people whose lives they have passed through.

That’s true of heirloom plant varieties too. To the gardeners who love them, it matters that ‘Mortgage Lifter’ tomato came from a man who bred his own tomato plants, selling enough of them to pay off his mortgage.

At estate sales, you encounter styles far beyond whatever is the standard fashion today. So, too, heirloom vegetables offer a spectacular range of flavors and shapes. They may be more tart or more sweet, green instead of supermarket red, long instead of the standard oval, ribbed or striped rather than smooth. Often they have a depth and complexity of flavor you would never find at the grocery store.

What is an “heirloom”? The definition is open to dispute. But the term is usually applied to fruit, flower or vegetables varieties that were being grown before World War II.

Back then, what we now call “organic gardening,” based on manure and mulch, was standard practice for home gardeners, who accepted risk and variation from weather and disease just as farmers had to.

From the 1950s to the 1970s, hybrids dominated the commercial vegetable market, and the older varieties became hard to find until a growing interest in cooking and food sparked a resurgence of the more flavorful heirlooms.

Heirloom varieties are open-pollinated–meaning that unlike hybrids, seeds you collect from one year will produce plants with most of the characteristics of the parent plant. And that’s key to their survival.

Many heirloom varieties were preserved by home gardeners who saved seed from their family gardens from year to year. Other seeds travelled around the world in the pockets or letters of immigrants, which is why, though the tomato evolved in Central America, we have varieties from Russia, Italy, Japan, France, Germany and Kentucky.

But many other heirlooms are commercially-bred varieties from the seed catalogs of the 19th and early 20th Centuries. Since W. Atlee Burpee & Co. was founded in 1876, the name “Burpee” turns up in many an heirloom vegetable catalog.

So if heirloom varieties are so wonderful, why aren’t all vegetables like that? Breeders didn’t just wipe out old varieties out of sheer perverseness. They developed hybrids for two main reasons: To make large-scale commercial production and distribution of vegetables easier and more profitable, and to make growing vegetables less labor-intensive and more sure-fire for home gardeners who may not have been as sure of their skills as their farmer ancestors.

Flavor may not have been the highest priority for 20th Century breeders, but they created hybrids with a number of useful qualities.

Disease resistance: Many vegetables are plagued by diseases that can wipe out a crop. Hybrids, especially tomatoes and corn, were bred that are resistant to a number of these diseases. When you see codes such as “VFF” or “VF1” in a seed catalog, they refer to diseases the variety was bred to fight off.

Higher yield: Many of the most flavorful heirlooms, such as the beloved ‘Brandywine’ tomato, don’t produce a whole lot of fruit. Hybrids were developed to produce much larger crops per plant.

Uniformity: Commercial growers quickly learned that fruits and vegetables that looked funny wouldn’t sell. Conformity was king. So hybrids were developed to have more consistent sizes, shapes and colors. Supermarket tomatoes all became red. Hybrids for the home garden came to reflect what consumers learned to expect at the supermarket.

Marketability: Fruits and vegetables that were all the same size to pack easily, didn’t bruise much and didn’t go bad quickly could be shipped longer distances. So hybrids made many fruits and vegetables available all over the country and often for many more months each year, even if they didn’t taste like their ancestors.

Hybrid vigor: First-generation hybrids tend to grow more vigorously and produce more than plants of a selected variety whose genes have been relatively isolated for generations. But the such hybrids can only be produced commercially, which means you have to buy new seed every year instead of saving it.

Timing: Determinate tomato hybrids–those that grow to a certain point, stop, and produce all their fruit at once–can be picked with big machines, rather than by workers who go out again and again to hand-pick whatever fruits are ripe. That greatly reduced the cost of canned tomatoes.

Today, breeders are trying to find the best of both worlds, crossing modern hybrids with older, more flavorful heirlooms to make old-style taste part of the equation along with disease resistance, consistency and higher yields. There are a number of hybrid versions of ‘Brandywine,’ for example.

These new hybrids are less risky, but they also aren’t open-pollinated, so you won’t get consistent results by saving the seed.

So should you choose heirlooms or hybrids? It’s a polarizing question.

Some gardeners believe strongly that the flavor of heirlooms is so superior that no growing season should be wasted on anything else. Others feel it’s their responsibility to grow heirlooms in order to preserve diversity in food crops so that we don’t lose valuable genetic variation we might need down the road. And some gardeners are determined to taste as many different flavors of tomato as they can in a lifetime.
But other gardeners are focused on results. They want what they’re used to. They place the highest priority on getting a lot of predictable tomatoes just when they expect them with as few problems as possible. For them, modern hybrids seem a better bet.
Fortunately, there’s plenty of middle ground. You can choose one dependable, disease-resistant hybrid variety as a fail-safe and take a greater chance on two or three heirlooms each year. Or you can add one of the new hybrids derived from popular heirlooms into the mix. If you’re growing tomatoes in containers, it might be wise to choose a dwarf, determinate hybrid variety.

A diversity of choices for the garden is as good a thing as diversity in the gene pool.

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Now for my story. Im 43 years old. Been involved with Cannabis since i was a child, started working the Hills of PANTHERS GAP in Humboldt county CA. My ENTIRE family has been working Cannabis as a family business for well over 60 years.They to this day have a farm in Humboldt. I work with farms in Tennesse, Sandeigo, Humboldt, amd a few smaller ones. Not a single farm i listed sells publically. They dont need to. They supply Many BIG BREEDERS my stock is what you buy from other places. Through this time that i have been involved. Ive made MANY MANY FRIENDS IN THIS BUSINESS. My Connections are vast on the West Coast and i have unlimted supplies of seeds. My personal genetic supply is well over 100k seeds in my possession. My genetic catalog is well over 900 strains. My genes are grown year after year. From the same breeders. I have affilitations with three different farms. Some of these farms supply some of the biggest names in Cannabis. You might think you are a know it all, and your website makes you a expert on seeds. YOURE NOT. Now i will be launching a site of my own. I have contacted every farm. Im waiting on full lineages and heritages of each and every gene i carry. Becareful who you call a fraud or scammer. It might come to bite you in the ass.

Due to financial issues on my end ( had surguery and cost me a little bit of cash) If i owe you a pack or shipment. please give me some time to work out my new site and we will get you sorted out.

I work very hard at this business. take it very personally when something like this happens. I appologize to every and everyone here having to read this. i just want the record straight.

AGAIN MY SEEDS ARE GROWN YEAR AFTER YEAR. BY THE SAME GROWERS AND FARMS. the same seeds have been grown for decades. This makes them Heirlooms. Like it or not thats the long and short of it. Now you want to debate my breeding practices or genetic combos. please


Ohh yeah please bring up photos i used PLEASE…
I quite litterly could never grow every seed i have. it would take lifetimes of many people to do that. So sometimes yes i used stock internet photos of a parent pheno. Dishonest? Idk maybe. but its not like the genes arent there.

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Haters gonna hate.

It really doesn’t matter what people say. A fair bit of the remaining players rely on discrediting competition rather than doing a better job.

The hate mail I got for low cost production was pretty ridiculous. It isn’t personal, it is the concept. People are either going to sink or swim now, it seems more and more are sinking everyday.

So what is it that you have that others don’t? My guess is a long list of IBLs. I am jealous of that, but I’m not a jerk either, at least, I try not to be a jerk. :wink:

Rise above it.


You’re not a jerk, @Farmer_Dan!

Eloquent and brilliant. Thanks for such a great reply, wise man.


I rein it in here, not so much on social media. :rofl:


Well said. Panther Gap! Right near my old stomping grounds!!


Thank you for that insight and what you do in the industry. Ya I was under the impression a breeder will create a hybrid(s) to improve something and make it better. Or learn from it. Landraces that don’t have the qualities we see in modern genetics can be bred now with ridiculous levels and better bushes for higher yields, disease resistance, faster.
I like it when breeders find lost treasures in other countries around the world, somehow bring it home, and keep breeding with it and improve a few things but still have something similar to the original Landrace but now a modern beast with levels of 25% CBD and 15% THC.
I will take a hybrid any day over some old cultivars including a few tomato heirlooms I came across.
Just like in hibiscus, some cultivars have big stunning flowers but the bush sucks so we breed hybrids to make a better bush and try to retain the flower or darken it. Over and over many attempts of pollenating, harvesting seed, planting those seeds. Next season takes long time.
The genetics guys have good hands on work and alot of time spent. With pollen and seeds it’s a whole differnent type of growing vs the hobbiest just trying to grow their own meds and prevent seeds. We are all learning about something.
Now days we have really good hybrids and then they do this thing called self cross and every now and then something really special is born and changes the game.

I wish you well with your work and look forward to doing business someday.
A nice red tastey tomato for some salsa I miss. The Orange and Yellow Chef’s Special really hit the spot last year.