Some update pics.
The Gojis and Sour Pineapple are doing well. slow start.
currently 16 in veg. lets play the Ratio game. Guess how many males vs females. Win a Hierloom packs of genetics from my personal collection.6 males 10 Fems just going off of past numbers from normal seeds.
prob pretty close id say.
Here is some pics from today 12/3/18
NOTE: There is some testing going on with some products. We will let them speak for themselves at the end. Stay tuned.
These are my Test run of a genetic project im refining going to maybe BX or IBL my Galactic Jack x Blue cookies.
we are now week 5 but might need to breed something in to fatten the buds. lets see what the next few weeks hold.(anyone interested in testing these genes message me) you can see the regrowth since defol last week.Thomas,
Nice snaps
I like that you show your plants both under the grow lights and under a more human natural light. What I see with the grow light is the reflection of the pigments, in the plants.
Everyone is raising my curiosity on what the best light spectrums are truly.
But vary nice plants.
Does the aqueous application of foliar CO2 raises your curiosity?
Warm regards
Add three UltraViolence today. Scooped up couple cuts from a friend. I love this plant. It lives up to the hype. Great for scrog.
Ultra violence is a tribute to malcolm mcdowell and the droogs from stanley kubrick’s a clockwork orange. They weren’t all bad, and some came out of rehab okay. This cultivar produces flavors of orange sorbet, fruit, doughy cookies, and gas. It can produce highly psychoactive results if harvested early. The potency of ultra violence has been compared to the difference between beer and grain-alcohol – this one is certainly not for beginners! It has been tested at 1.3% cbg, 0.44 % thcv, and 22% thc. The high thcv and thc values can result in profound experiences and a roller coaster-like high when taking concentrated forms of this medicine.
two im going to flower. one is getting bread with Supermale x JOG = the name will be (JesusUltraMale) stay tumed on that. will be making another thread for that.
This is my definition of click porn. 
What cultivar is the top in this new pictures?
I want to know the pigments.
The pigment is probabally fro the LED.
The strain is a happy accident. Galactic Jack x Blue God. this is the first run of these gens. prob going to drop some Space Queen on her, if i can find some real ones.
I so want to know the drivers in pigmentations in Cannabis.
It does not pigment as I would expect.
I would think of apples as the perfect model for short day pigmentations.
Or pick kale.
Cool nights bright days at finish should be optional for pigmentation.
I wander if we are seeing a stress pigmentation. UV light can cause stress pigmentation, think carotenoid.
We are seeing lots of secondary compound stressors.
not at all. hold on ill go take some pics to show you whats happening.
There is something going on? Light may be the answer.
But, is it an injury response. Think poppy or erthroxylum coca. You damage to up produce secondary compounds. Poppy you score the seed head, each subsequent scraping you get more and more opioids. And in coca as you remove leaves, the plant responds with more secondary compounds in the new leaf flush.
They see the same response in tea leaves and its considered a negative so they try picking the first flush in one pass. This is Camilla, I can’t think which species.
They did just post the genome for all the tea species. That asam from Taiwan is wild to watch the harvest.
Just using you as a sounding board.
Ethan
The plant didnt have any injury. its been treated pretty well. there has been some defoliation. but other then that she is super happy. no probs. feedings are less then 600ppm currently. No burn or really any visible issues. soil ph 6.8 steady as usual. so im not sure what you might mean.
Tom,
Over the years, I have seen good pigmentation and good the rest of the secondary plant compounds result from two external stimulus.
First, let us make the obvious assumption, you are a good grower.
Good nutrition, good growth medium, good environment.
Second, you look to have interesting genetics.
I am going to over simplify this, because I don’t know what you know or don’t know… It is not a reflection on your knowledge, but a way for me to simplify the explanation. If you want more details about the pathways for all secondary compounds. I will give you source references. But, that is a week day item for me.
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So let’s look closely at things that effect pigmentation and secondary plant compounds.
First, Pigmentation is definitely genetic. But, to get optimal pigmentation temperature and light is the key in short day plants.
Secondary plant compounds is a fancy way to say what natural defense is the plant. Mostly they are control mechanism for pests. This is definitely true in cannabis. There is one species of plants that produces THC but no CBC.
So on pigmentation, is easily manipulated. You have see this already. But, when high levels of light in terms of total intensity. A plant will compensate in two really cool ways. First the chloroplasts in the cells will reorganize from parallel to the light source to perpendicular. You can see this with a good microscope and a microtome to make thin slices. Or you can find good pictures. The second method plants employ is adding there oun sunscreen, the are the primary pigments.
The down side of too much light is total capacity sugar production goes down during the vegetative stage. This is the opposite of what we want for a shortest production cycle. I suspect the excessive amount of UV light is part to blame for this effect. LED can produce more UV light than is really needed. But, UV light management well is good control method for some of the common leaf fungus. But, you probably can do the same thing by spiking the UV for just 5 minutes every hour. Or once or twice a day in the vegetative cycle for 20 minutes.
Cool temperature during the flower development cycle, with bright light will develop the most common pigmentation to there maximum genetic potential. This is definitely true in cannabis. We can see this from the hemp production notes from the WW2 period. 1944 we produced more hemp than any time in US history. I don’t remember the total tonnage, but it was vary impressive. It was greater than corn that year.
Now secondary plant compounds. This is a tricky subject. Cannabis produces THC and CBC’s at a base line level. But, When a stressor is added the secondary plant compounds go through the roof. Each grower with higher than expected levels has some stressor, in there growth cycle, by accident rather than explicit design. Some are using low soil pH causing to much uptake of some elements over others. Other growers it is because of an infestation of insect. Other growers are using sulfur. Some growers are using light.
The growers using light, in my opinion are on moving along the best path.
We know in cannabis there is a direct correlation between total dry weight and secondary plant compounds. The more dry weight the more secondary plant compounds.
I think adding UV light during the flowering cycle, above the saturation point will produce the greatest levels of secondary plant compounds. This is causing small injuries to the leaves.
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Conclusion of my observations. We want the most growth during the vegetative cycle. CO2 is most like Avenue for increase of total dry weight. Assuming we have optimal nutrition and growth conditions. This is why I am so interested in Adding CO2 to water and applying it during the growth phase to the foliage. CO2 will move through the the leaf cuticles. More CO2 is generally the greatest limiting factor, in the creb cycle. That is why C4 plants are so much better at dry weight than C3 plants.
Light manipulation is also key. We waist a lot of energy on lights. We know that picking the spectrum to the absorption pigments of a plant reduces total costs. Look at the indoor veggie people. They figured this out first. Only give the plant what it wants.
From the voices in head
Ethan.
@FarmerK, you might like this.
Thank you for the reply. im still not sure what you are refering too in the plant. there is no pigment in the plant,atleast not yet. In my experience. some plants change in the last weeks, while others are a little sooner. i dont have fungus, stress or other issues going on. my temps for here really dont go above 65. yes i am testing for colors. she is a f1 this is the first time growing her out. she could be in the 75% or the 25% for f1 idk yet. the light the are under has no UV only IR.
As i have stated my soil ph stays right around 7 the whole grow.
I have been flowering with UV for years. typically it runs for 15 minutes prior to wake up. then every fifteen minutes throught the day its on for 15. it is also used for 15 minutes after the lights go out.
Everything you post all makes sense. and all info i already know. I just dont see what you see.
I will bring her outside this evening. maybe im missing something. She SHOULD turn soon if she is going too. AGAIN 75/25 on a f1. ill post some natural lighting today and we will see. as far as i can tell. She is all green and extrememly happy and healthy.
I love the plants the pictures show nice growth.
There is always some stressors in our growing environments. It mastering how we use them to our advantage.
What is your goal as a grower?
Vic lambert wrote a beautiful book on plant breeding. It is about tomato’s but his line purification methods are vary sound.
From the voices in my head
Ethan
