Well let us know when you get it to the states, and put up a promo code at 40% off for us too, and I will give it a go. I don’t really mind fussing with all the different things, but if it does work as good as you say, it would sure clean up the basement lol.
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I suddenly feel scared.
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I have Mantis in hydro, coco and clay, rock wool alone and vermiculite alone with the water growing faster causing a canopy nightmare so seems to me any medium is good because, again my plants are Mantisizing.
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Mike nothing wrong with believing in something and letting us know about it. That is what this is all about! Now get it down here lol. (USA) with a big discount of course lol.
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i dont have a favorite yet. i am open to trying mantis. will wait till its u.s available. i do have a least favorite and it is NFTG. NFTG is NOT for beginners. i am a beginner and the confusion on using these is epic. what i do know is we need to know WHAT we are putting on our plants and WHY.
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I will keep you all posted on the US launch.
The collection of old and new bottles is a real thing. A part of growing is tinkering 
Playing with nutes with different strains is a pain, as you think you have found the ultimate program with one and then follow the same strategy on the next but that cultivar has different needs. MANTIS allows the plant to access what it needs, when it needs it. This allows you to tinker with other things like environment and most of all the plants themselves. Anyways guys… I did not mean to come in here and get all sales pitchy lol!!
Just passionate about our sauce ya know 
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Tag me when you do.
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Very well said.
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See what happens when you waste time on the internet, this is just a tiny snippet from a study that was done on cannabis and human urine as a nutrient for growing, and it’s a huge study, embarrassing to say I’m even reading this stuff…
Eg:
This study evaluates the use of human urine and wood ash as fertilizers for tomato cultivation in a greenhouse. Tomatoes were cultivated in pots and treated with 135 kg of N/ha applied as mineral fertilizer, urine + ash, urine only, and control (no fertilization). The urine fertilized plants produced equal amounts of tomato fruits as mineral fertilized plants and 4.2 times more fruits than nonfertilized plants. The levels of lycopene were similar in tomato fruits from all fertilization treatments, but the amount of soluble sugars was lower and Cl− was higher in urine + ash fertilized tomato fruits. The β-carotene content was greater and the NO3− content was lower in urine fertilized tomato fruits. No enteric indicator microorganisms were detected in any tomato fruits. The results suggest that urine with/without wood ash can be used as a substitute for mineral fertilizer to increase the yields of tomato without posing any microbial or chemical risks.
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Hands down jacks 321. Super cheap and easy. Only 3 parts and ph from start to finish, you can use the same recipe throughout the grow or modify it from veg to flower.
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What’s in urine?
Urine, 95% of which is water, 2.5% of which is urea, and 2.5% of which is a mixture of minerals, salts, hormones, and enzymes, is not a toxic waste product. Urine is a blood byproduct and though it contains some body waste, it is non-toxic. In 1975, Dr. A.H. Free, published his book Urinalysis in Clinical Laboratory Practice, in which he presents a few critical nutrients found in urine:
Alanine, total …… 38 mg/day
Arginine, total …… 32 mg/day
Ascorbic acid …… 30 mg/day
Allantoin …… 12 mg/day
Amino acids, total …… 2.1 g/day
Bicarbonate …… 140 mg/day
Biotin …… 35 mg/day
Calcium …… 23 mg/day
Creatinine …… 1.4 mg/day
Cystine …… 120 mg/day
Dopamine …… 0.40 mg/day
Epinephrine …… 0.01 mg/day
Folic acid …… 4 mg/day
Glucose …… 100 mg/day
Glutamic acid …… 308 mg/day
Glycine …… 455 mg/day
Inositol …… 14 mg/day
Iodine …… 0.25 mg/day
Iron …… 0.5 mg/day
Lysine, total …… 56 mg/day
Magnesium …… 100 mg/day
Manganese …… 0.5 mg/day
Methionine, total …… 10 mg/day
Nitrogen, total …… 15 g/day
Ornithine …… 10 mg/day
Pantothenic acid …… 3 mg/day
Phenylalanine …… 21 mg/day
Phosphorus, organic ……9 mg/day
Potassium …… 2.5 mg/day
Proteins, total …… 5 mg/day
Riboflavin …… 0.9 mg/day
Tryptophan, total …… 28 mg/day
Tyrosine, total …… 50 mg/day
Urea …… 24.5 mg/day
Vitamin B6 …… 100 mg/day
Vitamin B12 …… 0.03 mg/day
Zinc …… 1.4 mg/day
(Your Own Perfect Medicine? – Natural Health and Longevity Resource Center)
The following are the average quantities of various substances, in 100 milliliters of urine as reported in Introduction to Biochemistry by Dr. Pharon:
Substance Milligrams
1] Urea nitrogen 682.00
2] Urea 1459.00
3] Creatinin nitrogen 36.00
4] Creatinin 97.20
5] Uric acid nitrogen 12.30
6] Uric acid 36.90
7] Amino nitrogen 9.70
8] Ammonia nitrogen 57.00
9] Sodium 212.00
10] Potassium 137.00
11] Calcium 19.50
12] Magnesium 11.30
13] Chloride 314.00
14] Total sulphate 91.00
15] Inorganic sulphate 83.00
16] Inorganic phosphate 127.00
17] N/10 acid 27.80
Some other important urine constituents are:
Enzymes:
Amylase (diastase).
Lactic dehydrogenate (L. D. H.).
Leucine amino-peptidase (L. A. P.).
Urokinase.
Hormones�
Catechol amines.
Hydroxy-steroids.
17-Catosteroids.
Erythropoietine.
Adenylate cyclase.
Prostaglandin’s.
Sex hormones.
Study
Results of the first study evaluating the use of human urine mixed with wood ash as a fertilizer for food crops has found that the combination can be substituted for costly synthetic fertilizers to produce bumper crops of tomatoes without introducing any risk of disease for consumers. The study appears in the current issue of ACS’ Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, a bi-weekly publication.
In the study, Surendra Pradhan and colleagues point out that urine, a good source of nitrogen, has been successfully used to fertilize cucumber, corn, cabbage, and other crops. Only a few studies, however, have investigated the use of wood ash, which is rich in minerals and also reduces the acidity of certain soils. Scientists have not reported on the combinaton of urine and wood ash, they say.
The new study found that plants fertilized with urine produced four times more tomatoes than nonfertilized plants and as much as plants given synthetic fertilizer. Urine plus wood ash produced almost as great a yield, with the added benefit of reducing the acidity of acid soils. “The results suggest that urine with or without wood ash can be used as a substitute for mineral fertilizer to increase the yields of tomato without posing any microbial or chemical risks,” the report says.
ARTICLE #2 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
“Stored Human Urine Supplemented with Wood Ash as Fertilizer in Tomato (Solanum lycopersicum) Cultivation and Its Impacts on Fruit Yield and Quality”
DOWNLOAD FULL TEXT ARTICLE: http://pubs.acs.org/stoken/presspac/presspac/full/10.1021/jf9018917
Human urine for fertilizer is top notch!
Its no secret that urine contains everything plants need, its been that way in nature since animals first started
to piss; that being said theres rules to follow.
::: HOW TO USE IT:::
- The smell of urine is actually ammonia, urine; in a healthy person; is absolutely sterile and clean.
- The stronger that ammonia smell, the less nutrients are available to plants, and less nitrogen.
– Nitrogen actually binds as it sits with other chemicals to create ammonia –
– After 24 hours, your going to need new urine – - Never pee directly on any plant, mix in a solution of water at a ratio of 10:1 or 15:1 water:urine.
- Do NOT mix with any other bodily fluids, and do not use any other bodily fluids, including stool.
– The reason for this is the human diet – - Urine needs to be fresh, re-read post 2.
- Urine should be applied to the soil, consider it an untreated fertilizer; do NOT foliage feed with it.
- The nitrogen content is really high, keep that in mind as nitrogen can inhibit flowering of “SOME” types of plants, with that being said; vegetative stages will benefit tremendously from nitrogen.
- Direct urine can burn and kill plants undiluted; if weeds are a problem, apply undiluted directly to kill weeds, oddly will turn grass yellow, which will recover and turn greener then it was before; weeds don’t recover.
- Urine is the best composting activator you will ever find, anywhere. It will also increase the micro nutrient value of your final compost by 50-100%.
- Collect directly into the bottle, then mix with water, not the toilet. use as you would any fertilizer and don’t overdo it, you can over fertilize plants.
- For hydroponics about 250ml for 3.5 galons will do it.
:::WARNINGS:::
- If your sick, have infections “urinary, bladder etc” do not use your urine. Urine is sterile in the bladder all the way to the exit so long as its not introduced through infections.
- Most drugs/medications wind up in urine, if your on prescription drugs, your urine is probably off limits. The exception to this is birth control, marijuana, 90% pain killers. A study actually suggests that estrogen helps a lot of different flowering plants, Google is your friend here.
- Do not use the urine of someone else for the first 2 reasons. You just don’t know.
- Don’t use pet urine, its probably safe but there could be, and may be things in pet food your unaware of, could be unseen infections, since they cant tell you of discomfort. And some animal; such as cat; urine, is much stronger and could kill plants.
- Lots of people feel theres a yuk factor involved, just don’t tell people about your homemade super crops secret, even if it is safe.
This may vary slightly based on diet, contents based on every 2L of urine
“about your daily total”
Nutrient Levels
Alanine, total …… 38 mg/day
Arginine, total …… 32 mg/day
Ascorbic acid …… 30 mg/day
Allantoin …… 12 mg/day
Amino acids, total …… 2.1 g/day
Bicarbonate …… 140 mg/day
Biotin …… 35 mg/day
Calcium …… 23 mg/day
Creatinine …… 1.4 mg/day
Cystine …… 120 mg/day
Dopamine …… 0.40 mg/day
Epinephrine …… 0.01 mg/day
Folic acid …… 4 mg/day
Glucose …… 100 mg/day
Glutamic acid …… 308 mg/day
Glycine …… 455 mg/day
Inositol …… 14 mg/day
Iodine …… 0.25 mg/day
Iron …… 0.5 mg/day
Lysine, total …… 56 mg/day
Magnesium …… 100 mg/day
Manganese …… 0.5 mg/day
Methionine, total …… 10 mg/day
Nitrogen, total …… 15 g/day
Ornithine …… 10 mg/day
Pantothenic acid …… 3 mg/day
Phenylalanine …… 21 mg/day
Phosphorus, organic …… 9 mg/day
Potassium …… 2.5 mg/day
Proteins, total …… 5 mg/day
Riboflavin …… 0.9 mg/day
Tryptophan, total …… 28 mg/day
Tyrosine, total …… 50 mg/day
Urea …… 24.5 mg/day
Vitamin B6 …… 100 mg/day
Vitamin B12 …… 0.03 mg/day
Zinc …… 1.4 mg/day
TIPS!!!
I have gone though an entire grow using urine without any deficiencies, but many feel that during flowering your phosphorus levels are too low. If you desire, a bloom fertilizer may be used in tandem during the flowering phase.
A tea made with the Russian comphry plant (3.6-1-10.6) is an excellent organic bloom fertilizer for those of us who do not wish to use chemicals at any step. Also a tea of bone meal, or bone meal in your soil mix is probably the best way to add Phosphorus.
Your body can only absorb about 10-15% of a multivitamin/mineral pill the rest is flushed out with your urine. Taking a multivitamin/mineral about 3 hours before your urine collection can give you many vital micro nutrients.
PH
The PH value for human urine can range anywhere from 5 and 8.5 but most often is found between 5.5 and 7.5 in healthy individuals with a balanced diet. A value of 6 is average. High protein diets can lower PH (more acidic) and Vegetarian diets raise PH values (more alkaline). Urinary infection will increase PH value. Test your PH and lower it (coffee, lemon juice, or vinegar are great organic PH downs) if any higher that 6, especially if in a hydro system, or increase your protein consumption. If the soil you are using is fairly acidic, like peat moss you will want to make sure you are not dropping it too low with acidic urine; dolomite lime can help you buffer this up, or increase your vegetable intake and lower your protein.
Pro’s
It Works
Tried and true. In my (and a few others) opinion it works as good as commercial fertilizers when used properly. A side by side clone to clone test has not yet been done (to my knowledge), but there is no question that urine produces healthy, frosty, dank nugs, as good as anything out there.
Cheap
You can’t beat free can you? Not likely. Weather you are growing for pleasure or profit saving money is something that I think we all desire. If you have no problem with spending the money, then go right ahead. Call it ghetto if you want, I call it natures gift, and I intend to make the best of it.
Available
It’s like fertilizer on tap. No hasty visits to the hydro/garden shop. No “I’ll have to do without for a while”. It’s always there when you need it.
Environmentally friendly
Many of us would like to preserve the earth. Well organic fertilizers are the way to go if this is part of your ethos. Chemical fertilizers are produced from petroleum products, natural gas, and coal. Minerals are made more soluble with acids. After the compounds are used by the plant the contaminants left over in the soil can become poisonous and over time can leave the land depleted and ‘dead’. Using organic fertilizers closes a cycle of life that has existed for millennia. We feed the plants and they feed us, much like the oxygen and carbon dioxide cycle.
:::Con’s:::
Salt content
Human urine will contain various salts. Depending on diet your urine can contain up a max of 2.2% salt, this is because the human kidney cannot concentrate salts to greater than 2.2%. On average salt content will be about 30g/L Total dissolved solids constitute about 5% of urine volume. As previously stated it will be to your benefit to allow some run off when watering and toss it, this will rid your soil of excess salts.
Imprecise
Urine fertilizing is not an exact science. Exact nutrient levels and concentrations cannot be accurately established without the proper equipment. Notwithstanding some trial and error is necessary in every fertilizer regiment. Certain strains can have differing tolerances, different growing conditions and methods vary in their ability to deliver nutrients reliably.
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just put 3 plants into flower using Heavy 16 base nutes. The base nutes were fairly inexpensive, $50 roughly for the Veg A&B and Bug A&B. A seasoned grower on another site is using it AND using the AN additives with them and getting great results. So they might become my new favorites…
Blue Planet Naturals (organic) has piqued my interest as well.
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Jack’s 321 is working for me.
First time using it and in early veg the plants seem to love it
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I love the stuff.
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Hello all,
Just wanted to let you know that MANTIS™ Buffered Nutrients are now available to order in the U.S.
Here is the link - MANTIS Buffered Nutrients 1L by CanGenX – Indoor Growing
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Well that makes sense…I remember back in the day when I went to Jamaica every year. One of the locals that had become a friend grew bananas in his backyard as a way of supplementing his income along with growing other things lol. Anyway never forgot when he asked me to piss on his newly planted banana trees when I was at his house. I asked him why, he said make strong like big bamboo !!
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now that i have my rooting problem solved (fingers crossed) I think I will give AN another round. The Heavy 16 plants i ran finished way early - done at 6 weeks. So, given the time frame, they didn’t get a proper 2 week flush and they do taste fairly harsh to me. The high is ridiculous though. Buds look great. taste isn’t quite there. So I’ll be doing a side by side. I’ve cut the currant feed amount (Heavy 16) back to 15 ml’s base per 2.5 gallons RO in hope that the build up within the plant will be less.
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Hi CoyoteCody! Would you consider sharing with me how you modify Jacks 321 in flower? I use Jacks 321 and am wondering if I should be doing anything differently in my approximate 3rd week of flowering. Any tips most appreciated on the end of grow info!!
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And that would be because as most people don’t know unless you are sick and your kidneys are not functioning properly urine is sterile.
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All I’m getting is a 404 page not found on that link you posted. Anyone else having this problem???
Thanks @mantismike
Update…I did a search on the site and CanGenX nor Mantis come up as being there. What’s up with that?
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