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Please help diagnose my sick plant babies!

I just got these clones from a dispensary about 3 days ago. Please don’t rag on me or say that it was a waste of money. Practice is never a waste of money. They are sickly looking, I’m okay with that as I want to practice trying to get them healthy again. The root ball was nice looking and white. It’s not super developed but it was a nice ball. I planted them both in bigger pots. I just used organic soil that has microbes in it and other stuff like fish, bark, moss etc. I mixed mostly that soil with some organic soil that has worm castings in it.

The dispensary kept them under lamps all day and night. If you notice in the pictures they are droopy, brown edges and tips, curling edges and tips. The stalks look decent. It could be mites but I think it’s more heat damage? Again, this is my first time doing this by myself so I’m looking for advice. I’m not giving them fertiziler or anything like that.

Since I got these little guys I have transitioned them into regular lighting. I’ve kept them inside by the window. It’s been overcast since I got them so the lighting is not too bright or direct. Today the clouds have disappeared so it’s not over cast. The plants are definitely not in direct lighting though. Idk if that’s good or bad anymore? Some rando told me he thought they needed more sun and that he thinks Ketama (the first pictures) is blooming early? Is Ketama blooming early? For the first few nights I left them in the night for 6 hours and then put a night light on them. Last night was the first night I just left them by the window without any night light to get all natural lighting.

I have been playing some classical music and binaural beats for the plants. I also have a crystal in each planter. I really want to save these little guys and am looking for informative help. Ketama is the one with the skinnier leaves and thicker stock in the first pics. Pie Hoe is the guy on the second set of pics with the fatter leaves.

It’s very possible the plants have heat damage. But I’m no expert on heat damage vs mites vs nutrient deficiencies. Also, can plants that are kept indoors even get mites? I’m trying to slowly bring these clones outside later on but they have been inside all their life so far. I really need to figure out if they need more , less or the same amount of light. Thank you I appreciate any help. image image image image image image image image image image image

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Hi pasithea and welcome to this wonderful forum and the guys on here are great and you will soon find answers. :grinning:
Unfortunately you can get mites on plants inside, but don’t think that your is problem and to be honest your girls don’t look too bad and I think it looks like a bit of stress due to the sudden change. You say they were under lights 24/7 before you bought em and now they have very little light so that may be a shock to them now and because of this (lack of light) they might struggle to process the nutrients and you then have ‘lock out’ of nutrients hence the brown edges and tips. Your leaves also look full and hanging down which could be due to over watering? I notice you have given your girls names ha ha n bless. Ketama is not blooming too early I don’t think and this will not be a problem.
If you want Ketama and Pie Hoe (love the names by the way) to grow into big girls that you can enjoy then you have to do more with the light. You need em to veg 1st and for this you need direct light on them for 18hrs and pure darkness for 6hrs. When the girls are young and delicate like this you do not need a strong light to start. For the 1st 3 weeks of growth i use a pro star 5500 lumen 125 watts with more blue spectrum for better veg growth. I hang it about 12 inches above the girls.
Ketama and Pie Hoe are going to be ok I’m sure and hope this helps a bit bud. I’m no expert far from it - but the guys on here are pure experts and I’m sure you will find your answer.
Happy growing my friend and stay safe.
Just before I go n sorry for going on a bit but it may be wise to invest in a grow tent and then you can create the perfect environment. Light - pure dark etc.

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As stated above, I bought them this way. They looked just like this when I bought them. The budtenders don’t get paid extra to deal with that sort of stuff so :woman_shrugging: Also I don’t have any money for this. The person who was supposed to fund it while I grew it just bailed so now I’m stuck with almost no money and these two little guys. I’ll try the light bulbs, thanks for all the tips.

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Welcome to the GN Family @Pasithea
Hope you learn as much as we do here.

I’m not hating on you, but for shame, that a Dispensary will sell you weak clones. But don’t stress, you are at the right place to get help and learn.
I can’t see any early flowering from these photos sorry.
How long hav eyou had them?
How long in the new pot and soil?
How often and how much do you water?
What tipe of water?
Yes mites and bugs are a reality for indoors.
More info = More Answers/Help

Happy Growing :vulcan_salute:

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Sorry for missing that, must have been lost in thought. What tipe of bulbs/lighting are you looking at/for ?

Happy Growing :vulcan_salute:

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I have had them for 3 days. I put them in the new pots yesterday. I take well water from the house and put it in my water purifying pitcher. I haven’t watered them very much because the soil is still damp and doesn’t seem to be soaking in. I have just put them in direct sunlight and will be getting some light bulbs for when the sun is not out. One person suggest 125 watts. I thought I needed at least 500 so idk what I’m doing.

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Have a look at my thread about my own first time clones.

Happy Growing :vulcan_salute:

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Whatever I can afford. I was going to get regular led (blue undertone?) light bulbs. I have a lamp that you can position the bulb which ever direction you want. I’ll look into 125 watts and see the price. I thought I needed more like 500 watts. Maybe that’s for a bunch of clones?

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And these are under CFL’S

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Hi again. It’s not over watering then and thank you very much for the upvote. I just use 125 watts for the 1st three weeks to save money. I’m on a meter and have to be very careful. You can use 500 watts if you have no prob with power costs but just make sure you hang your lights higher, prob about 36 inches and watch your plants for light stress. When they are babies they don’t need too strong a light. I use 125 watts to save money and after 3 weeks when they are stronger I use a 400 watt. Its just a method i use to save money on power and my plants do very well.

Hi just a quick two pics

of my girls (not clones) in the early stages under a 125 watt light.

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Hi Pasithea and thanks very much for the comment about my pics. :slightly_smiling_face:I’ve had a look at the lights and wow! I would probably go with the 1st choice because they are cob = chip on board and they are meant to be very good. I did not know they did cob lights in this shape - Thanks. I will probably upgrade my 125 watt. The second choice is just general purpose and and I think not good enough for Ketama and Pie Hoe.
Does the corn cob light hang vertical or horizontal? If horizontal you get more light to the girls, but you will need a reflector canopy like the one i got. If it hangs vertical then still ok I think.

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Awesome pics dude. I just called the dispensary I got them from. They are using 54 watt bulbs and there were 3-4 bulbs for 4 clones. So I feel like 300 or more watts is doable for me price wise. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Feit-Electric-300-Watt-Equivalent-Corn-Cob-LED-High-Lumen-Daylight-5000K-HID-Utility-LED-Light-Bulb-C4000-5K-LED/206677057

What do you think of a lightbulb like this? Idk anything about lights themselves.

Or is this better?
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Feit-Electric-300-Watt-EQ-R40-Daylight-LED-Light-Bulb/1000882236

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Hi @Pasithea and glad you got the cob and it’s looking good and like the fact that it emits light everywhere and from the end that’s cool. It will not stress your plants, but try and get your light directly above your plants otherwise they will grow with a lean towards the light. Can you bend the lamp and point it down directly towards your girls? That would be good. Can you keep the girls in total dark for 6hrs. You need to make the space light proof and run your ĺight for 18 hrs and have em in dark for 6hrs for the veg cycle. Are you using auto, or photo clones? Auto clones flower overtime when they are ready and photos flower when you switch the lights from veg cycle to flower cycle. Good job. :v:

image image image image I just went out and bought two of those lights. It’s cool because the lights are on the cob and on the end of it. I’ll start out using one and if I need two later I’ve got it. I really want these little suckers to thrive so I jerry rigged a setup. The lamp I have can be adjusted in two spots so luckily it’s working pretty good with this light bulb. I’m wondering if the light is too close to my plants. I had to put it there so it wouldn’t be touching the sheet. It’s not reflective but the light blue seems to be doing decent enough. One bulb is 300 watts, 4,000 lumens which is quite a bit more than what they are used to. They were getting maybe 35 watts each from the dispensary. It won’t shock them will it? Since I had them out in the sun today they actually drank the water cause the soil wasn’t damp anymore and I gave them some more. Thanks for your help!

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Hi @pasithea. Thanks for the link and it was an interesting read. If you buy two it’s going to be a 600 watt power draw for 2 babies which is alot. Have you got a grow shop near you? I wish you lived near me. I’ve got so much stuff I could have lent you. I enjoy talking to you. :slightly_smiling_face:

So I thought it was weird that my Lumens were less but my watts were more than yours. I found this site that explains it really good. https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.1000bulbs.com/home/3-facts-about-watts-and-lumens-for-leds%3Fformat=amp
The light I just bought is 4,000 lumens where the light you are using is 5,500 lumens. So I’ll have to use two bulbs to get the proper light emission which is still not bad for the price but good to know this.

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Also thinking if you buy two will it double the lumen or will you just get 400 from each? Growing our girls can get so complicated, but we learn so much.

So I did like 5 or more hours of reading last night about light bulbs :joy:

When it comes to the actual growing part, it turns out that watts do not matter and lumens do not matter at all. Watts tells us how much energy is being used out of the wall, which in led lights is lower because it doesn’t use a lot of power. Lumens is the measurement of how much light our eyes can process. Just because the lumens are high does not mean they they are good. Quality of light is different from quantity. In order to find a decent grow light, we need to look at the PAR and PPFP levels. Most companies do not put that information on the labels because it’s expensive to test and doesn’t matter for lighting up a room.

Basically the weed plants can not absorb the light properly if the PAR and PPFP levels are not where they need to be because otherwise the plant can not actually “eat” the light. If the lumens are high, the plant still might not be eating it all because the quality is off.

It gets complicated when they bring out the math equations but hopefully I made sense.
I posted some pics below of my plants today because right now the plants are doing way worse than before. I’m going to look into nitrogen toxicity and other ailments to see what I can do. I need to buy new lights and return these other ones because I can tell the plants are not eating the light because they also won’t drink their water. If only this stupid overcast would go away. It was soooo sunny the two weeks before I got these.

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Your new clones are suffering from nitrogen toxicity. That’s causing the leaves to curl downward. The leaves can appear a waxy shiny green.
The soil you put them in should help quite a bit, watch for new growth, as those leaves won’t change.

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