These haven’t been treated with BBP. I have been spraying them with Fulvic acid twice a week.
Marty
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Here is the liittle clone I took 4 days ago.
I’m using Clonex clone nutrient, and Midas cloning jell. I already had both. They also sent me a bottle of branch tip spray, that you are supposed to spray the tips you are going to use for clones a week prior to cutting them off. I sprayed them this morning.
Marty
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Run what you have and keep track of days until roots visible.
Next time try this experiment, trim at the red like I show and in my experience I tend to gets roots even faster not having the extra “happy meal” to draw from.
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If you remember last grow Bob, I was spraying them with both the Fulvic acid and the BBP. The bottoms of the plants turned into a total mess I had limbs on limbs on limbs on limbs…I had to clear out so much I lost a lot of plant. So I decided to do a two part test, one grow with Fulvic acid, and one with BBP only. I am using the Fulvic because I have been using it with great success for a long time. It creates a lot more budding sites.
A limb with Fulvic acid treatment.
But to be worthwhile I would have to use clones. And so …clones it is.
I will be using the BBP on the next grow and the Fulvic with cloned plants, and comparing them. I have never compared using clones so that is what I am up too. I didn’t grow with clones this time so It would not have been a real test with any comparable results. And I am growing 4 different strains. The next grow some will get the BBP and some the Fulvic. Neither will get both.
I know you were concerned the last grow with interaction between the Fulvic and the BBP. I was rinsing between with plain water after the Fulvic and never got the white precipitation. I am thinking that it was between the two foliars…just too much of a good thing which turned into a bad thing lol.
So next grow is going to be a first in several different ways, all clones, and two different tests using different products to compare the growth differences.
Marty
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Yes I almost trimmed them off Dog…but actually I want this clone to take a while to root and grow as I have about 12 weeks before my next grow and I didn’t want it to get too big, so for now the slower the better.
Marty
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Marty!
Dang, I had no idea you were using the fulvic with the BBP that last grow!
That solves a few of the bazaar things that you experienced in that last grow!
I’ve been at a loss to understand your reporting of ‘super thin stems’ that wouldn’t support the plant’s weight much less crop!
There’s a REASON we stress using no other foliars when utilizing BBP!
Anyway, I’m delighted you undertook testing the fulvic acid by itself this grow and look forward to your results. Hopefully the fulvic acid treatments alone will provide you with a nice grow!
Bob
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Hummmm well I told you when we talked on the phone. But we talked about a hundred things. But no matter. Like I said, all the testing was worth nothing as I was not working with clones. And I have no idea why but I never get weak stems with Fulvic alone. These plants are a rigid as my …never mind lol. In any event I KNOW you know I have repeatedly told you my testing of the BBP was totally useless, as the first time it started mid grow, and with several different varities…and last time was from all seed grown plants and again no way to compare anything. So next grow will be done right.
Marty
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Yikes…he went there.
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ROFL…yep sure did and proud of it for 71 yo.
Marty
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Just a one pic update. The girls be getting big 25" now. The top crop is the only thing holding me up from flipping.
What size does everyone let the new growing tips get to size wise before flipping? Just topped four days ago on one.
Marty
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Marty,
I wasn’t implying that the fulvic acid was the cause of the weak stems…rather the combination BBP/ Fulvic acid may Well be the CULPRIT.
You may well have told me about the Fulvic, I’m not sure of the context (But I’m an old fart too!!)
I have been dwelling on those weak stems for quite some time, trying to figure out WTH?!
That was really weird, and I’ve never encountered that kind of growth ANYWHERE! It’s been stuck going round and round in my hard drive…so when I saw the Fulvic acid in print, it immediately engaged!
At this point, that’s the only thing that makes sense to me at all!!!
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I know that Bob, that’s why I said I have no idea why the stems were like rubber, they don’t do that with BBP alone and don’t with Fulvic alone. But here is the kicker, the first time I used the BBP if you remember, I also was using the Fulvic acid too. and that is the discussion we had about it precipating out onto the leaves in the form of those white cystals…BUT they didn’t have weak stems. Maybe it was just that cultivar. If you remember the first time I used the BBP it was with the Planet of the Grapes, and we also tried it on the two Autos I had going. Then I got sick and everything died, but they never had weak stems.
Marty
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Hey Marty!
Does this look familiar to you???
Yikes!
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It doesn’t matter how hard you beat that dog boys the results aren’t gonna change because they are in the past. Bob has said from the beginning not to use any other foliar spray with bud buster pro. That’s it done. 99% of the time when I see someone having a problem with their nutrients or plant growth, it’s because they’re not following the directions of the manufacture of the product they’re using. Mixing and matching shit doesn’t work most of the time. And if you want to see the proof to start reading journals. 
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I would go with 1/3rd of the height of your tent.
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No it doesn’t Bob. Mine didn’t look like that. I have leaves right now that look like the ones on the original plant that I tossed, I left them on just to test if it was going to spread after I got the water and the nutes fixed. It hasn’t they are slowing dying faster than a normal leaf, but that’s because they were damaged. The rest of the plant is fine, and the one I destroyed and the leaves on the ones that I left look identical. In my case it was just too much water and too little nutrients.
And interesting is that this happened on the Runtz/White caviar, two of the three I put in. I think that this strain was just more susceptable to the too wet conditions and the low nutrients. (My fault) The other Runtz was always and still is the darkest greenest plant in the room. It is the one I call the runt Runtz lol It is the smallest plant in the room. It is also the one I put right back in the hole when i pitched the one that got the necrosis on the leaves, and has never had any necrosis of any kind. It is just a short little plant, but healthy as a horse. The only symtoms it displayed is the leaves at the top cupped until I got the water under control. Neither the Bruce Banner, the Gold leaf, or the Candy store got any of that necrosis, so I have to assume that it is just the Runtz were more susceptible. The tallest Runtz still has a leaf with the same exact look on one of the leaves and it has been on the plant since I trashed the other one. One of the Gold leaf plants has yellowing on just the margins, which is also a sign of underfed.
This is on one of the Gold leaf
This is on the biggest Runtz it is NOT spreading. Been like that since I trashed the other Runtz.
These are the only two leaves in the room with any yellow on them.
Marty
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I was asking how long you wait, and how big you let the new shoots get after you top and before you flip, not the overall height of the plant.
Thanks!
Marty
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How is the potency of the smoke? I’ve heard it is good and strong?
Marty
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Well just mowed the front yard, and was putzing around in the raised bed garden and got a nice surprise, they are still real small, but making radishes already. First treat from the garden. Been BLOWING awful here for the last 3-4 days, it is beating my poor little garden starts up. Wind is blowing at least 40 and a lot of gusts. Drying everything out really quick and went from 50 to 85 degrees.
Marty
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