Well I am not a new grower by any streach of the imagination…but yep, I am haveing a bit of a learning curve with it. It is strange, but it’s not just ProMix it’s a 50/50 blend of Pro and coco. Not sure if that is what is causing this or not. But these are way past seedling. I’m also not sure if that meter is giving me the right moisture content either. Even though they were praying right up until I watered, I think they were starving for moisture, they drooped down when I watered but have since pointed their leave at about a 45 degree to the stems again.
I am gonna try the quart a day thing after this watering has had time to dissapate all through the medium and equalize. And just looking at them i can tell they are back in grow mode again. Not sure if this combo is messing with the nutrients either but one of the Runtz is and has been pale since this grow started, that’s why I did the Earth Dust tea. They even mention that on their site if it isn’t keeping them green, make a tea and feed them. So I did. I also think they are counting on people using a organic commercial mix like you reccommend with nutes in it already.
My mix for all intents and purposes was devoid of nutrients, and I only added more organic amendments that would also need time to break down. And when I did feed I did it very lightly at only half strength on the Chicken soup. So I guessing they have been right on the verge of starving the whole grow so far. Couple of days should let me know if the tea worked. I just don’t want to overdo anything. I errored on the light side this whole grow.
I think they have been struggling for nutes the whole grow. Might just be wishful thinking/viewing…but I do believe they have greened up since the watering/feeding this morning. They aren’t sick, they just aren’t doing as well as I would like.
Another reason I think it is nute defiency is the garden starts I put in, in the same soil are also pale.
Bob since you recommended it, I went and looked at roots organic original potting soil, and the ingredients read almost exactly like the Earth dust ingredients.
I wonder if they have inoculants in it ? They. Listed a lot of the ingredients in the review but not all of them. I also wonder if they do include it do they cook it. I would imagine that just warehousing, distribution and travel time would give it at minimum a couple of weeks.
Not too bad 10 gal is a little over $13. 1.5 L bag. Never mind did some more reading it’s got inoculant.
I’ve never seen one of the moisture meters that you stab in the soil work properly. I tried one and it said the soil was wet when it was dry. Totally screwed everything. I’m very surprised that you let your plants dry out enough to where the soil pulled half inch away from the pot… I know you know better than that. You’ll figure it out. I am in promix in three gallon plastic bags. They get a good flush to heavy run off every weekend and they get about one and a half quarts of nutrient solution Monday Wednesday and Friday. I know this won’t work for you With earth dust, but maybe but maybe a quart of two of water every other day would be a good place to start. I don’t know just a thought. You’ll figure it out…
Hap yes I know, but this is a LOT of soil, to be honest I wish I had just stayed with one or the other coco or Pro mix. It is a really weird consistency. It is kinda like a jello feel when it is watered, bouncy really strange. This morning, most of them are praying again, but now I have leaves that are twisting sideways each individual segment of the leaves are turning and twisting. Never had that before either. I looked it up on the internet and the answer is too much water, not enough water, too much fertilizer, not enough fertilizer, temps to hot, temps to cold lol…
I have no idea what is going on with this grow. My gut tells me that something is missing nutrient wise.
Well Marty, not being there I would say there’s probably just a little bit of shock from going from dying from the water to an abundance. Give them a day or two. If they’re underfed it won’t hurt them and if they’re overfed it will help them. I think you’re going to be OK. Just give me a few days to adjust. I’m sure the roots haven’t reached every point of that pot so they can’t have used up all of the nutrients you put in there. I think you just have a water balancing act to go to figure out.
Thanks Hap, trying not to do the knee jerk thing and try too much and really screw things up. Several of the plants all the growing tips are yellowish as well and that is why I think it is a nutrient problem, or maybe a PH problem, but being an organic grow with no synthetic fertilizers used at all to this point, I am going to assume that it isn’t a PH problem. And I have used RO water at 7 ph.
And per instructions you are not supposed to water to runoff so I have nothing to check on that end. I did get a small amount of “run through” yesterday, witht the soil being so dry. But not enough to test it, it was a straight through kinda thing so it wouldn’t have told me anything anyway.
I’m going to do the 1 quart every other day and see what happens. I only watered 1 gal, into 10 gal. so it shouldn’t be overwatered.
One of the Runtz is dark green, looks healthy as a horse…good color on the growing tips, and extreme praying leaves…BUT it is just sitting there not getting taller…I mean it is but super slow. Every plant is doing something a little different grow wise. This is very fustrating. Just doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason. Grrrrrrr lol.
Marty. I do a hot living mixed media with 25% each of coco/ pro mix/ soil/ and reused media I amend very heavy with everything plus the kitchen sink to about 20% more things like earthworm castings, biochemistry, minerals, basalt, all the meals (fish one, alfalfa, kelp, prill, bokashi and lots more.
It has taken me 2 years but this grow is finally dialed in haha. It’s difficult to do but in my opinion worth it.
Ok well that sure helps I mean that. When the leaves first started getting brown patches and yellow around them, I felt that it was most likely nutrient deficiency, rather than a fungus. But to be on the safe side I trashed the plant, and I had too many anyway. I am getting more of that same sympton as well and have been chopping the leaves off and getting them out of the room. But I still don’t think it is a fungus. My RH is between 35-40%
I have felt the whole time that this was a not enough nutrient thing. I am going to wait a few more days and if things have not improved with the new water schedule and a evenly moist pot, I am going to supplement their diet. I have to do something pretty quick as flip time will be upon me very soon due to the height of the plants (21") I have already topped, guess I can do it again to slow things down if I have too.
Your plants are absolutely gorgeous, your outside grow was stellar for sure. I gotta get this figured out, but too late to take the pots apart and put more goodies in lol. I could top dress, but I’m not sure that would be availible soon enough to help. Do you use guano’s ? I have been very conservative on nutes this entire grow.
You could always do the part B part of this stuff the now. You’re supposed to top dress it and work it in a couple inches. It also says that you can mix a tea out of the part A to supplement.
All right they’re on their website.
Hap I already did the tea with their Part A. put one Tablespoon per gallon of water, added two tablespoons of Humic acid as well, some Recharge and bubbled it for two days, then watered. That’s what I did yesterday so gonna hold off for a couple of days and see it that fixes things. The part B or boost I added one Tablespoon per gallon of soil when I first made it up before I cooked it which they also tell you to do if you use coco. The top dress with boost you do 1 week prior to flipping to flower. I just wannt get them healthier before I flip. It’s not like they are sickly or dying…they just aren’t up to snuff.
Thank you
For soil I use various ones but I like the roots organic 707. I don’t really use guano‘s I have used bat and seabird but only in top dressing and teas.
I do believe that the key to a mixed soil and soilless media is to make it hot and living and even then I feed a nutrient solution that is fairly hot usually between 1000 and 2000 Ppms and then hi flower over 2500
Yep Bob reccommends the Roots organic for the base for this. I think I just errored on the side of caution and they are struggling with a lack of nutrients. I added amendments to the zero nute coco/Pro base but not anything that really had availible nutes in it. I’m pretty sure that I just made it up too weak. Especially now that you told me you make it up hot. The other user here in St. Louis also said he thinks the reccommended is light. Learn something new everytime you try something different. I have some AN Iguana 100% organic, if things don’t green up, I think I will try a full strength watering with that. Gonna give them a couple of days.
Well be glad you live in California Hap lol…here we go again here…gonna get down into the mid 20’s tonight, and the wind is howling at 35 MPH right now. And of course I put my tomato starts in yesterday…BUT I have spares of each kind. Not even gonna cover them, this is the third year in a row…must be that global warming.
Good news, just since yesterday and the tea they have gone from yellowish/whitesh on the tips to a lime green so it is and was the whole time a deficency of nutes. They are starting to unfurl the leaves also.
Was mucking around examining them and noticed a girlie part, haven’t crawled into the back of the tent yet but the front three are all showing as girls. The two @PreyBird1 Runtz/White Caviar and the Candy store. This is a shot from the small Runtz girl.
Below freezing last night. Cherry tomatoes did ok. The rest of the maters died. The marketmore cucumbers did ok. Lettuce and radishes are fine, but got dull looking, will take a couple days for them to recover.
