What part of MO you in?
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Gotta give the market what it wants!!!
Did you know the original Fuji apples that hit the market revolutionized the apple! They were huge and so sweet!!! Problem was they were a GREEN apple ! People weren’t buying them!
So of course there was a rush to breed a red Fuji!
Well we have sorta red Fujis now but man they had to sacrifice a LOT of flavor and size to get there!!!
Point proven, you better give the consumer something that they recognize!!!
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St. Louis county. Raised in Jasper in the Southwest corner of MO.
Marty
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Yeah you have a nice property to have a market garden, me I just have a 50’ x 230’ city lot. My main garden is only about 15’x12’, then I plant in composted holes all around my landscaping beds. I only grow for me. Bout the only way to educate the public in what they are missing is to have a market booth and cut some tomatoes up and keep them cold and little wedge samples, once they taste them they wouldn’t go back. The better boys and big boys have gotten so bad they hardly taste like tomatoes anymore. They do produce more and look better I have to admit that.
Marty
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Howdy neighbor I’m in st Charles!
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Ya you be in the nice area of town, I’m in the poor part.
Marty
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U City here 
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Got to love the Fuji apple though, I have 1 tree along with a Honeycrisp, a couple Macintosh, and one that grows Granny Smith, Cortland, and brain dead on the other. Also have vegetable garden as well. It’s nice filling freezer with fresh veggies. Don’t do tomatoes though.
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Chit…@truthhound you be a hop skip and a small jump away. I am in Overland.
Marty
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Well it is with great sadness that I had to put down one of the Runtz/White Caviar this morning. It was growing at about the same rate as the others (height) but the leaves had begun to get necrosis and brown spots at the bottom of the plant, over the last few days it rapidly progressed up the plant, and the leaves were dry feeling, and also curling under about mid leaf to the tips. It has been treated exactly the same as everything else in the room, same water same foliar sprays identical. This morning the top of the plant was completely curled under and brown spots beginning to form on even the new leaves. I had another Runtz in a plastic pot that I intended to do other things with, but wound up pulling the bad one and transplanting it into the same pot as the one I pulled.
Everything else in the room is fine. Soil mix, everything exactly the same, so I have to think it was just a genetic thing on the one plant. She is now composting in the compost barrel RIP. lol.
The Candy store that started out sickly has now overtaken and is bigger than the two Bruce banner, and will shortly be taller than the Runtz/White Caviar if she keeps up the current pace. The largest Candy store will have to be topped soon. I am going to let it get a couple more sets of branches then top, and cut off and clone the bottom four limbs.
So the room is now 2 Runtz/White Caviar…2 Candy store…and 2 Bruce Banner, and a couple of Gold leaf that will be going to a friend with a grow license. The Bruce Banner are growing really strange, almost more sideways than up.
First is a Bruce Banner (in front of yellow sticky card, and on the right the no longer runt Candy store.
The small Candy store.
The tallest Candy store 15"
The flat growing Bruce Banner. Its wider than it is tall.
And most of my flat of veggies are up.
Have a great day everyone !!
Marty
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Marty, did you happen to take any pictures of the recently deceased??
Just curious is all …when you pulled it did you see any browning roots or get a punky odor???
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I’ll go pull it out of the mulch barrel and take some pictures for you …be back in a bit…
Ok first, I sniffed the root ball, and smelled clean and earthy, no funk detected. roots are white.
The leaves on the plant
It’s not a big deal, as I replaced it with it’s sister which is healthy as a horse.
What do you think Bob? Since I had extra’s anyway I decided to get the sick one out of the room.
Thanks
Marty
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Looks like possible.Borron def maybe…
Edit: I take that back, not rusty looking enough. Do t look like black spot though, please ty familiar with that one…
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Marty, it definitely doesn’t look like a root pathogen!
I was concerned if it was a Fusarium or Phytophthora it might effect your new plant!
Noting the yellow halos around the lesions, that always indicates a fungi infection to me…
As fast as you said it progressed probably Septoria…hopefully getting it out of your grow will put an end to the issue!
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Well where would it come from? All the same exact ProMix and coco and same Earth dust from the same bags. And like I said it has been watered and treated just like the entire rest of them, and they are all fine. All the seedling cups were also filled from the exact same mix which included the cooked Earth Dust organic soil. And I hope I didn’t just screw up as I just pulled the bad one and dug a hole and put the other one in it’s place, but that one was potted up in the same exact soil mix as well. Can it be in the seed itself, or is it always soil born? If so I may have to mix up a whole new pot of soil and start over?
Thanks
Marty
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Am I the only one who struggles with determining leave problems so much because a lot of the deficiencies/excesses look like each other? 
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Nope youre not, I am the same way, I look at the charts and they all kinda look like my problem lol. I don’t see any of the light center spots like Septoria on these leaves, I have no idea what it is, have never had that before. The new one I replaced it with is standing up already since the transplant this morning and looks happy. I just hope whatever it is/was is not in the soil.
This is when I transplanted this morning.
Here she is now, she perked right up.
Marty
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Dark, or dead brown whatever in the center of the area and then yellow around the edges is the indication of fungus is what I think bob was saying. 
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Sorry Marty, just gone home and ate dinner! I try to call them as I see them, If a grower has a fungi infection I can identify as such, I don’t want him trying to treat it with nutrients while the infected plant spreads inoculum throughout the grow!
I know it’s tough to understanding where it came from. In both fall and spring, there is a tremendous number of fungal/mold spores in the air!
Your description and pictures of the infected plant match a fungal infection perfectly! Typically begins on the lower leaves of the plant, rapidly spreads upward in a random fashion.
Nutrient or infection? Fungal/bacterial infections tend to be across the face of the leaf. Nutrient issues tend to show up in the leaf tip or laterally near the margins of the leaf. A dead give away for several fungal infections is a black or brown lesion (dead spot) shows up first…within a few days a yellow halo will develop around the lesions…that is the bacteria/fungi invading new tissue outward from the initial lesion. Some Fungi like WPM and Downey mildew don’t exhibit the lesions, but it’s something that you can quickly use in identifying a infection!
Actually, (for me?!) the fungal infection is much more plausible than a nutrient issue! ALL your other plants look beautiful, so unless you did something drastically different with that particular plant, I would put a nutrient issue at the bottom of the list?!
FWIW…hope that’s the last you see of it !!!
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Well whatever it is, it’s in the compost bin rotting down now. Actually for a bit it is getting frozen lol. Was spiting snow a little earlier, St.Louis has whacky weather in the spring. That’s why I just started my garden starts. Last couple of years put them out after last frost date of the 15 th. and everything got froze, not once but twice ! So this year they aren’t going in till after the third week in April maybe not till the end of April, I remember you and I talking about that last year and I sent you pics of the snowstorm in April.
Got a question Bob, would it help to spritz them with a diluted solution of H2O2 to kill the pathogen, and would it harm the plants?
Thanks
Marty
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